Ep 81: The Kelly–Hopkinsville Encounter (Part 3)

Detail from Tim Bertelink's Artist Impression of the Kelly-Hopkinsville "goblin."  Image used under CC BY-SA 4.0 license.

"In and around the whole area, the house, the fields, that night, there was a weird feeling.  It was partly uneasiness, but not entirely.  Everyone had it.  There were men there that I'd call brave men, men I've been in dangerous situations with.  They felt it too.  They've told me so."
– Hopkinsville Police Chief, Russell Greenwell

 

 
Approximate location of the Sutton family farmhouse on Old Madisonville Road, in the unincorporated area of Kelly, about 8 miles north of Hopkinsville, KY
 

BACKGROUND:

It's easy to dismiss the entire Kelly-Hopkinsville Encounter as the booze-fueled fantasy of a bunch of backward hicks who can't tell the difference between a goblin and an owl, or maybe you think it was an outrageous hoax perpetrated for cash.  But before you begin telling people what they saw, or make assumptions based on character or class, just remember: unless you were there, you weren't there.  These people didn't ask for this incident to happen to them, and they especially didn't ask for the notoriety or ridicule that followed.  What the authorities at the time believed, and what many skeptics agree on in hindsight, is that the Sutton and Taylor families were genuinely terrified of something real, and yet even the most seasoned paranormal researcher can't definitively say by what or by whom.  So maybe your educated reasoning doesn't allow for the possibility of otherworldly creatures?  Well, that's fine, it's a natural human desire to make sense of the impossibilities of our strange world with rationalizations that we can comfortably live with.  But as you do so, keep one more thing in mind: you can spend years or a whole lifetime developing and refining your rationale for disbelief, but it only takes one undeniable, paranormal experience to make you a believer.

 
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Episode 81: The Kelly-Hopkinsville Incident, Part 3.  Produced by Scott Philbrook & Forrest Burgess; Audio Editing by Sarah Vorhees; Ryan McCullough Sound Design; Research Assistance by Tess Pfeifle and the astonishing League of Astonishing Researchers, a.k.a. The Astonishing Research Corps, or "A.R.C." for short. Copyright 2017 Astonishing Legends Productions, LLC. All Rights Reserved.

Ep 80: The Kelly–Hopkinsville Encounter (Part 2)

"If aliens visit us, the outcome would be much as when Columbus landed in America, which didn't turn out well for the Native Americans."

Stephen Hawking

 
Approximate location of the Sutton family farmhouse on Old Madisonville Road, in the unincorporated area of Kelly, about 8 miles north of Hopkinsville, KY
 

BACKGROUND:

In Part Two of our series on the Kelly-Hopkinsville Encounter, we analyze the elements of the Sutton and Taylor families' story.  Is the tale that ended up in the media what actually happened or were certain descriptions exaggerated to make the story more sensational in order to sell newspapers?  Perhaps some details were misreported due to anxiety, faulty memories and the phenomenon of the "Telephone Game?"  Or was it all a hoax and for what gain?  What we find is that the story in its original and accurate telling is so bizarre, any further embellishment would be pointless and believe it or not, that's the story the families stuck to, which only serves to add more mystery to an already mysterious world.  

 
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The Kelly Green Men
By Geraldine Sutton Stith
 

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Episode 80: The Kelly-Hopkinsville Incident, Part 2.  Produced by Scott Philbrook & Forrest Burgess; Audio Editing by Sarah Vorhees; Ryan McCullough Sound Design; Research Assistance by Tess Pfeifle and the astonishing League of Astonishing Researchers, a.k.a. The Astonishing Research Corps, or "A.R.C." for short. Copyright 2017 Astonishing Legends Productions, LLC. All Rights Reserved.

Ep 79: The Kelly–Hopkinsville Encounter (Part 1)

"I turned my head three different times because I thought maybe my eyes were fooling me. But every time I turned my head back, there he was."
– Glennie Lankford, Matriarch of the Sutton Farmhouse
 
Approximate location of the Sutton family farmhouse on Old Madisonville Road, in the unincorporated area of Kelly, about 8 miles north of Hopkinsville, KY
 

BACKGROUND:

The 1950s was awash with incredible UFO sightings and purported alien encounters, but the Kelly-Hopkinsville Incident remains a highlight for the field of Ufology.  The report was significant not only because of the long duration of the event and a large number of witnesses but also because the frightening contact sparked a one-sided gun battle.  On the evening of Sunday, August 21, 1955, one of the occupants of the Sutton farmhouse, in the unincorporated area of Kelly north of Hopkinsville, Kentucky, reported seeing a saucer-like craft land a short distance away in a gully to the rear of the property.  Moments later, the two families staying there claimed that a number of "strange little men" approached the house and peered through the windows, and one even tugged the hair of Billy Ray Taylor, the man who had first seen the craft land.  Understandably bewildered and fearing for their lives, Taylor, and another adult male, "Lucky" Sutton, fired round after round at the unwanted visitors from close range, all to little effect.  After about four hours of this awkward alien interaction, the families saw their chance to escape and rushed to police headquarters to get help.  The unusually large police response which resulted in a flurry of sensational news reports for years to come would cast this incident as one of the most bizarre and intriguing "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" ever to be included in UFO lore.

 
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Episode 79: The Kelly-Hopkinsville Incident, Part 1.  Produced by Scott Philbrook & Forrest Burgess; Audio Editing by Sarah Vorhees; Ryan McCullough Sound Design; Research Assistance by Tess Pfeifle and the astonishing League of Astonishing Researchers, a.k.a. The Astonishing Research Corps, or "A.R.C." for short. Copyright 2017 Astonishing Legends Productions, LLC. All Rights Reserved.

Ep 78: The Devil and Anneliese Michel – Exorcism on Trial (Part 3)

Anneliese Michel's gravestone in Klingenberg am Main, Bavaria, Germany.  Photo by Offenbacherjung, with no endorsement of the content of this episode or topic.  Used under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported license.
Dr. Jennifer Sy, Ph.D.

Dr. Jennifer Sy, Ph.D.

 
“The Klingenberg case was for all those involved, a breathtaking experience. Someone on the outside cannot possibly appreciate this experience. Man’s imagination is stretched past the limit when it comes to demonic possession.”
– Father Ernst Alt, quoted from "Anneliese Michel:  A true story of a case of demonic possession" by Lawrence LeBlanc and Fr. Jose Antonio Fortea
 
Anneliese Michel was buried in the Klingenberg Cemetery, Klingenberg am Main, Miltenberger Landkreis, Bavaria (Bayern), Germany.  To this day, her grave remains a pilgrimage site for believers.
 

BACKGROUND:

Was Anneliese Michel truly possessed by demonic forces, or was she suffering from a more earthly psychological affliction such as an extreme case of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder with Scrupulosity, epilepsy, PTSD or Anti-NMDA Receptor Encephalitis?  Tonight we examine this case from the solely scientific, clinical angle with our interview of Dr. Jennifer Sy, Ph.D. of the Houston OCD Program.  Dr. Sy is a licensed clinical psychologist with training in cognitive-behavioral treatment of mood and anxiety disorders.  She received a BA in Cognitive Science from Dartmouth College in Hanover, New Hampshire, and her MS and Ph.D. in Clinical Psychology from the University of Wyoming.  She has published on cognitive/behavioral mechanisms and exposure-based treatment of social anxiety, specific phobias, and panic.  In the end, however, even with a diagnosis that seems to cover many of her symptoms, those who allow themselves to consider possibilities beyond flesh and blood may wonder if the truth of Anneliese Michel will remain forever hidden between the worlds of the natural and the supernatural.

 
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Ep 77: The Devil and Anneliese Michel – Exorcism on Trial (Part 2)

Ep 77: The Devil and Anneliese Michel – Exorcism on Trial (Part 2)

The San Damiano cross, image from The San Damiano Society at St. Francis Center for Renewal website. Circa 1100 A.D., it is said that St. Francis of Assisi was praying before this cross when he received a commission from the Lord to rebuild the Church.

Ep 76: The Devil and Anneliese Michel – Exorcism on Trial (Part 1)

“Father, I never thought it would be as cruel as this. I always thought that I would want to suffer for others so they would not have to go to hell, but that it could be this bad and this cruel and terrible.”
– Anneliese Michel, from a transcript of a recorded conversation with Exorcist Father Arnold Renz.
 
Location: Klingenberg, Bavaria, Germany, where the Michel family had a comfortable two-story house, not far from Josef Michel's sawmill.  Anneliese Michel was born in Lieblfing, Germany on 21 September, 1952 to Anna and Josef Michel.  Klingenberg, known as "Blade Mountain" is a small town on the Main River.  On one side of the river is the Odenwald forest, on the other side are the woods of the Spessart forest.  Kligenberg is well-known for its terraced vinyards on its hills and the wine produced from them.  The town is about an hour drive southeast of Frankfurt.
 

Background: 

The legal systems of Western societies have no place for, nor consideration of, the offenses of the spiritual world.  Neither does the spirit world have regard for the laws of men.  These factors make the case of the death of Anneliese Michel so fascinating, so compelling, so confounding and ultimately so tragic, that it remains one of the benchmark legal cases for determining negligent culpability in purported cases demonic possession.  Anneliese was a German girl who was known in life for being very intelligent, shy, kind, generous and pious, but will always be known in death as an unfortunate soul who experienced a deteriorating malady so mysterious and devastating she ultimately succumbed to starvation.  But who, or what, is to blame?  Was it the severe affliction of an extreme case of epilepsy or Obsessive Compulsive Disorder having gone untreated, or was it the detestable work of the Devil himself?

 

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The Exorcism of Anneliese Michel:
By Felicitas D. Goodman
 

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Credits:

Episode 76: The Devil and Anneliese Michel – Exorcism on Trial (Part 1).  Produced by Scott Philbrook & Forrest Burgess; Audio Editing by Sarah Vorhees; Ryan McCullough Sound Design; Research Assistance by Tess Pfeifle and the astonishing League of Astonishing Researchers, a.k.a. The Astonishing Research Corps, or "A.R.C." for short. Copyright 2017 Astonishing Legends Productions, LLC. All Rights Reserved.

Ep 75: The Jersey Devil - Prince of the Pine Barrens (Part 2)

“When the horses heard the Devil scream, they’d carry on so you’d think they were gonna tear the barn down. You could hear the Devil scream a long way off when the horses would quiet down. People may say there’s nothing to it but I know darned well there is.”

– Amanda Sutts’ 1900 eyewitness account from Loren Coleman and Bruce G. Hallenbeck’s book, Monsters of New Jersey: Mysterious Creatures in the Garden State

 
Location: Bucks County, Pennsylvania.  The Jersey Devil's territory isn't just confined to the coastal region of New Jersey's Pine Barrens.  Long before the "Leeds Devil" story became part of the local lore in the mid-18th century, the Native Americans of the Leni Lenape tribe had noted a strange creature in the area and named the nearby creek "Popuessing" meaning, "Place of the dragon."  Also according to Loren Coleman and Bruce Hallenbeck in their book, Monsters of New Jersey: Mysterious Creatures in the Garden State, in 1677, Swedish explorers found strange footprints in the rocks near the same creek and renamed it "Drake Kill" – "drake" also meaning dragon.
 

Background: 

Southern New Jersey is steeped in the legend of The Jersey Devil, with the eponymous rascal inspiring everything from the names of businesses to stickers and T-shirts for tourists.  But as one "South Jersey" native has informed us, The Pine Barrens themselves may be nothing like what outsiders envision, with most of it being "lush, green and beautiful" and a joy to explore.  Also, maybe almost no one from the area believes the myth themselves.  However, it seems in the case of the legend of Jersey Devil – there are two distinct yet connected phenomenal elements at play: the ye olde myth, and the otherworldly thing that more than a few people swear they've encountered.  So what do you say to them?  Are you sure all they saw or heard was an owl, a stray African bat, a mutant goat havin' a laugh, or that good ol' well-worn chestnut the Sandhill Crane?  Because now these accounts become much like any other testimony of the paranormal; those who have not experienced it probably won't believe it, but those that have can never forget it.

 
 

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Related Books:

The Jersey Devil
By James F McCloy, Ray Miller Jr.
The Jersey Devil
By Hunter Shea
Phantom of the Pines: More Tales of the Jersey Devil
By James F. McCloy, Ray, Jr. Miller
The Flight of Dragons
By Peter Dickinson
 

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Credits:

Episode 75: The Jersey Devil – Prince of the Pine Barrens (Part 2).  Produced by Scott Philbrook & Forrest Burgess; Audio Editing by Sarah Vorhees; Ryan McCullough Sound Design; Research Assistance by Tess Pfeifle and the astonishing League of Astonishing Researchers, a.k.a. The Astonishing Research Corps, or "A.R.C." for short. Copyright 2017 Astonishing Legends Productions, LLC. All Rights Reserved.

Ep 74: The Jersey Devil - Prince of the Pine Barrens (Part 1)

“It was neither beast, nor man, nor spirit, but a hellish brew of all three.” 
– Vance Larner, writing in his diary about his encounter with the Jersey Devil in 1790.
 
 
Leeds Point, Galloway, New Jersey, United States.  As the most popular version of the legend of the Jersey Devil goes, Deborah Leeds (nee Smith) emigrated from England to marry Daniel Leeds in the mid-Eighteenth century.  When her 13th child was born, she cursed the difficult labor and the already impoverishing cicumstances of a brood of 12, and invoked the Devil.  The infant became a ghastly cryptid and has haunted the New Jersey Pine Barrens ever since.  Some legends have it as a "Mrs. Shrouds" as the beast's mother.
 

Background: 

They say if you meet someone from New Jersey, Pennsylvania or New York, you don't ask them if they've heard of the "Jersey Devil," you ask them if they've had some kind of encounter with it.  The legend of the curious cryptid is so prolific, they've no doubt heard of it, and if they've spent any time near the Pine Barrens of "The Garden State," more often than not you'll find they've experienced some evidence of the beast, or know someone who has.  Folklorists say that there are more than 30 variations of the legend,  but the main origin story of New Jersey's own "Official Demon" goes all the way back to 1735, and a Mrs. Leeds of Galloway, NJ, who upon a difficult delivery of her 13th child, exclaimed it might as well be a devil – which, if the tale is to be believed, you should never do.  Since then, the story has been so popular that the idea of The Jersey Devil has made its way into movies, television, and video games, and is even the inspiration for the name of New Jersey's National Hockey League team.  But why has this tale endured for at least 282 years?  Is it because somehow the legend is just so fantastic that people can't forget it?  Or is it because, as so many residents throughout the years have claimed, from New Jersey's eastern shores, through the mysterious Pine Barrens all the way to western Pennsylvania, something really is out there?

 

Reference Links:

 

Related Books:

The Jersey Devil
By James F McCloy, Ray Miller Jr.
The Jersey Devil
By Hunter Shea
The Flight of Dragons
By Peter Dickinson
Phantom of the Pines: More Tales of the Jersey Devil
By James F. McCloy, Ray, Jr. Miller
 

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Credits:

Episode 74: The Jersey Devil: Prince of the Pine Barrens (Part 1).  Produced by Scott Philbrook & Forrest Burgess; Audio Editing by Sarah Vorhees; Ryan McCullough Sound Design; Research Assistance by Tess Pfeifle and the astonishing League of Astonishing Researchers, a.k.a. The Astonishing Research Corps, or "A.R.C." for short. Copyright 2017 Astonishing Legends Productions, LLC. All Rights Reserved.

Ep 73: Orfeo Angelucci - Secret of the Saucers

“I had the uncomfortable feeling as they studied me that they knew every thought in my mind; everything I'd ever done and a vast amount about me that I didn't even know myself. Intuitively, I sensed that I stood in a kind of spiritual nakedness before them."

– Orfeo Angelucci, The Secret of the Saucers

 
Location: Approximate spot down by the Los Angeles River, where Orfeo Angelucci would have a converstaion with a brotherly extraterrestrial who would later reveal the secret of our planet and what Orfeo and the rest of us must do to ensure a peaceful fate.
 

Background:

Most of us go on about our lives, enjoying the predictable routine of family, work, and if we're lucky, a little bit of leisure.  Usually, nothing too out of the ordinary happens from day to day, and although it may seem dull, we forget it's also comforting.  But if you're Orfeo Angelucci – aerospace worker, family man, thoughtful but average citizen, one day you get contacted by a race of advanced, extraterrestrial beings that reveal to you the secret of the universe, your purpose here, and the task ahead that would change his life forever.  This was the incredible claim in Angelucci's book, The Secret of the Saucers, which tells the story of his contact with a pair of kind, ethereal entities, who want him to share their message of peace and love for the human race.  But these warm greetings came with a warning: that we must change our harmful ways or else suffer the fate of the world that came before us.  Spreading this message caused no small amount of ridicule and hardship for Orfeo and his family, but as the legends tell us, being a messenger to the world can be a blessing but also a curse and the challenge requires courage. Join us tonight as Rich Hatem returns to discuss Angelucci's wondrous story.  Whether you choose to believe Orfeo or dismiss it all as a fanciful daydream, it's hard to deny that the message for Earth has real beauty in its truth.

 
 

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The Secret of the Saucers
By Ofreo M. Angelucci
Communion: A True Story
By Whitley Strieber
 

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Episode 73: Orfeo Angelucci – The Secret of the Saucers.  Produced by Scott Philbrook & Forrest Burgess; Audio Editing by Sarah Vorhees; Ryan McCullough Sound Design; Research Assistance by Tess Pfeifle and the astonishing League of Astonishing Researchers, a.k.a. The Astonishing Research Corps, or "A.R.C." for short. Copyright 2017 Astonishing Legends Productions, LLC. All Rights Reserved.

Ep 72: Richard Hatem, Screenwriter of The Mothman Prophecies

"What do you look like?"
"It depends on who's looking."
Richard Gere's character, John Klein questioning the interdimensional being, Indrid Cold, from the 2002 motion picture, The Mothman Prophecies
 
Point Pleasant, West Virginia, where locals reported seeing an otherworldly creature, who would later become dubbed as the "Mothman."  John Keel's investigation into the incidents would later become a book as well as a motion picture.  
 

Background:

Tonight we have a conversation with screenwriter and producer Richard Hatem, known for such Motion Picture and Television projects as The Mothman Prophecies, Under Siege 2: Dark TerritoryGrimm, Damien, Supernatural, Witches of East End, The Gates and many, many others.  We discuss with Rich his approach to adapting John Keel's book, The Mothman Prophecies for the Big Screen, the larger concepts surrounding the events, his life-long interest in the paranormal and supernatural, as well as a lot of other cool stuff.  

 

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Related Books:

The Mothman Prophecies
Starring Richard Gere, Debra Messing, Shane Callahan, David Eigenberg, Ron Emanuel
JADOO
By John A. Keel
Our Haunted Planet
By John A. Keel
Disneyland of the Gods
By John Keel
 

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Credits:

Episode 72: Richard Hatem, Screenwriter of The Mothman Prophecies.  Produced by Scott Philbrook & Forrest Burgess; Audio Editing by Sarah Vorhees; Ryan McCullough Sound Design; Research Assistance by Tess Pfeifle and the astonishing League of Astonishing Researchers, a.k.a. The Astonishing Research Corps, or "A.R.C." for short. Copyright 2017 Astonishing Legends Productions, LLC. All Rights Reserved.

Ep: 71 Pere Cheney: The Town that Disappeared

“Where there is mystery, it is generally suspected there must also be evil.”

— Lord George Gordon Byron

 
The spot where the hopeful town of Pere Cheney, Michigan once stood, halfway between the current towns of Grayling and Roscommon.  All that's left standing are a few gravestones in the town's cemetery, since most have been vandalized and destroyed and the buildings have long since vanished.  You can still legally visit the cemetery during daylight hours, but you'll need to know exactly where it is, along with a vehicle with enough ground clearance and a bit of courage, of course.  But be forewarned — those that desecrate the graves of the dead will live just long enough to regret it. 
 

Background:

The logging town of Pere Cheney, Michigan once showed a lot of promise as a place where hardworking men and women of the late 19th century could raise a family — that is until two epidemics of diphtheria and devastating fires reduced it to a ghost town.  And if you believe the accounts of some visitors to the nearby cemetery, Pere Cheney's tragic fate doomed it to be an actual town of ghosts; the playful ghosts of the children who fell victim to the disease. But who's to blame for the sad ending of this once thriving village?  Surely something, or someone, must be the cause of the town's bad luck, and if you believe the local legends, that someone was a witch who cursed it right before she was hanged and buried in that very cemetery.  Or maybe she was burned?  Or maybe it wasn't a witch at all, but a banished unwed mother who cursed the lot of it just the same?  Whatever legend you choose to believe, whether the cemetery of Pere Cheney is a playground of the damned or no more spooky than your average graveyard, those that have felt its chill can tell you that it only takes a little bit of haunting to put the fear in you.

 
 

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Episode 71: Pere Cheney: The Town that Disappeared.  Produced by Scott Philbrook & Forrest Burgess; Audio Editing by Sarah Vorhees; Ryan McCullough Sound Design; Research Assistance by Tess Pfeifle and the astonishing League of Astonishing Researchers, a.k.a. The Astonishing Research Corps, or "A.R.C." for short. Copyright 2017 Astonishing Legends Productions, LLC. All Rights Reserved. 

Ep: 70 Henry Plummer (Part 3) - Interview with Frederick Allen

“The severest justice may not always be the best policy.”

- President Abraham Lincoln

 
Location: Nevada City, Montana.  Settled on June 6, 1863, it was one of two major commerce towns in the territory, along with its sister city, Virginia City, MT.  Presently, Nevada City has been restored as an Outdoor Living History Historical Museum and tourist attraction.
 

Background:

The case of Henry Plummer represents the gray area between due process and necessary action, depending on whether you view a rise in criminal activity as a matter for the justice system no matter how lacking, or local imperium no matter how brutal.  In an interview with Frederick Allen, author of A Decent, Orderly Lynching: The Montana Vigilantes, we discuss his initial interest in the story, the motivations of the people involved, and the debate their actions spurred, then and now.

 
 

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By Thomas Dimsdale
Vigilante Days and Ways
By Nathaniel Pitt Langford
Idaho's Vigilantes
By William J. McConnell, James S. Reynolds
 

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The Dark Myths Collective

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Credits:

Episode 70: The Sheriff and Outlaw Henry Plummer (Part Three) - Interview with author Frederick Allen.  Produced by Scott Philbrook & Forrest Burgess; Audio Editing by Sarah Vorhees; Ryan McCullough Sound Design; Research Assistance by Tess Pfeifle and the astonishing League of Astonishing Researchers, a.k.a. The Astonishing Research Corps, or "A.R.C." for short. Copyright 2017 Astonishing Legends Productions, LLC. All Rights Reserved. Photos taken by Forrest Burgess, Copyright July, 2004.

    Ep: 69 The Sheriff and Outlaw Henry Plummer (Part 2)

     
     
     
    Location: Virginia City, Montana.  Considered a "Living Ghost Town," Virginia City offers visitors a well-preserved glimpse into the life of prospectors and pioneers of mid-nineteenth century America and was designated a National Historic Landmark District in 1961.  The proposed original name for the town was "Verina" after the wife of Jefferson Davis, the president of the Confederate States of America during the Civil War, by men whose loyalties lay with the Secessionists.  However, a Connecticut judge, G. G. Bissell, a Unionist, staunchly objected and recorded it as "Virginia City."
     

    Background:

    The dual nature of Henry Plummer's character would leave us questioning his legacy and the legitimacy of his ending.  Was he simply an honest lawman reluctantly entangled in the rougher aspects of frontier justice or a downright robber and murderer with a badge?  There are authors who believe he was solely one or the other but there also seems to be ample circumstantial evidence that he was likely some combination of both.  The problem of determining his guilt or innocence, set against the backdrop of a nascent legal structure for the American West, would stir a debate that we continue to struggle with today.  When it comes to the protection of our families and communities, what measures are we willing to accept to ensure our safety?  When does crime prevention and the ad hoc adjudication of those in authority become a miscarriage of justice?  Where is the line between the precepts of our more mature legal system and common sense and what measurement should guide our conscience to determine when a line has been crossed?  We all want what's fair in light of our personal convictions, but like every condemned man, all Sheriff Henry Plummer wanted was a little more time.

     

     
     

    Related Books:

    The Vigilantes of Montana
    By Thomas Dimsdale
    Vigilante Days and Ways
    By Nathaniel Pitt Langford
    Idaho's Vigilantes
    By William J. McConnell, James S. Reynolds
     

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    The Dark Myths Collective

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    Credits:

    Episode 69: The Sheriff and Outlaw Henry Plummer (Part Two).  Produced by Scott Philbrook & Forrest Burgess; Audio Editing by Sarah Vorhees; Ryan McCullough Sound Design; Research Assistance by Tess Pfeifle and the astonishing League of Astonishing Researchers, a.k.a. The Astonishing Research Corps, or "A.R.C." for short. Gallery slideshow photos by Forrest Burgess, taken July 2004, ©2004.  All content Copyright 2017 Astonishing Legends Productions, LLC. All Rights Reserved.

    Ep: 68 The Sheriff and Outlaw Henry Plummer

     
     
    Location: The town of Bannack, Montana, now a ghost town you can visit, with many buildings still standing.  Nearby is the still-lively ghost town of Virginia City, Montana, which hosts public festival events, Old West reenactments, and well-preserved historical displays.
     

    Background:

    Henry Plummer was like so many young men who ventured into the frontier of mid-nineteenth century America; full of a spirit of adventure and eager to make their fortunes in the gold fields of the Old West.  Handsome, charismatic and ambitious, Plummer soon went from trying his hand at prospecting to a career in law enforcement and was even encouraged to enter California politics by his supporters.  Plummer's successes, however, were tainted by his foibles as it was noted that his evening activities sometimes put the wild in "Wild West."  A move to Bannack, Montana, and election as sheriff of the area promised to restore his career and reputation.  This fresh start at the bottom of Plummer's pan would prove to be just a flash, as the townsfolk would soon suspect his connection to the robberies and murders allegedly committed by a gang of Road Agents who came to be known as "The Innocents" and many speculated he might even have been the mastermind behind the purported crime wave.  But was Plummer actually guilty, or just guilty by association and a victim of circumstance and mob mentality?  Whatever the truth of the matter, Sheriff Henry Plummer eventually found himself at the end of his rope.

     

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    Related Books:

    The Vigilantes of Montana
    By Thomas Dimsdale
    Vigilante Days and Ways
    By Nathaniel Pitt Langford
    Idaho's Vigilantes
    By William J. McConnell, James S. Reynolds
     

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    The Dark Myths Collective

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    Credits:

    Episode 68: The Sheriff and Outlaw Henry Plummer (Part One).  Produced by Scott Philbrook & Forrest Burgess; Audio Editing by Sarah Vorhees; Ryan McCullough Sound Design; Research Assistance by Tess Pfeifle and the astonishing League of Astonishing Researchers, a.k.a. The Astonishing Research Corps, or "A.R.C." for short. Copyright 2017 Astonishing Legends Productions, LLC. All Rights Reserved.

    Ep: 67-1 BONUS: Flight 19 and Remote Viewing

     

    Background:

    Despite what you may see in today's eye-catching, "Clickbait" internet headlines, so few mysteries are ever really "Solved!"  But what if we could get an image, an impression, a hint of a location even, some kind of clue as to what happened with some of the great mysteries of our world?  There might be a way.  We were fortunate enough to interview Remote Viewing instructor Lori Williams and one of her most gifted Viewers, Jed Bendix, who had some interesting insights into the last moments and possible final destination of Flight 19.  Of course, there are those who may scoff at Remote Viewing, relegating it to the outbox of the impossible along with anything associated with ESP, but the CIA and US Military didn't, spending 20 million dollars over 20 years to research and develop the technique.  No one may fully know why Remote Viewing works, but it's hard not to be astounded with some of the methodology's results.  In the end, however, for some, it doesn't matter what results are obtained if one doesn't believe the method to obtain them is possible.